“How many harvested?” revisited
Back in 2009, I gave a talk at the Foreign Press Association in London. I’ve lost 35 pounds since then (made you look!) and I have also revised the numbers slightly based on new information (and some mulling as well). That’s what this post is about. Since 2009, I have been quoted in several places, most recently here) on my estimates of how many Falun Gong were harvested during the last decade or so.
[UPDATE: I was also quoted recently (and fairly extensively) in CQ Global Researcher v.5-14 on the subject of Falun Gong organ harvesting and trafficking. Here's a teaser: "At least 62,000 were victims of organ harvesting operations from 2000-2008, according to Matas and Kilgour and Ethan Gutmann, an investigative journalist." Anyway, you can buy the entire report here]
The truth is that outside of a few, select individuals in the Chinese military hospitals and the 6-10 office, we don’t know the answer to that question. But I believe estimates are possible, and even useful, as long as we do not engage in false precision and stay reasonably conservative. My estimates are based on a sample of approximately 50 Falun Gong refugees from the Laogai system. Not what I would like, but good enough for a wartime sample. Yet I also flag that inherent imprecision by coming up with a low estimate and a high estimate. I don’t truly believe in either extreme. The truth is probably found somewhere in the middle and that’s why I provide a best estimate, or a median.
Shrewd observers will note that I originally gave a best estimate of approximately 85,000, and now I’m saying about 65,000. I’ll give you the rationale for those new numbers in a minute, but here’s the main reason they changed: I sat down with the Laogai Foundation researchers in DC and they informed me that they had revised their total estimate of the Laogai System (defined as labor camps, prisons, black jails, psychiatric hospitals, long-term detention centers, the lot) down from 4-6 million to 3-5 million. I have reasonable confidence in their logic surrounding this point, so I have revised my estimates accordingly.
Second (and with much smaller effect on the results): Because of the uncertainty surrounding whether harvesting of prisoners of conscience was ongoing all the way into the Beijing Olympics, and to err on the conservative side, I have lopped a year off my estimates (in other words, the Falun Gong incarceration estimates are from 2000-2009, while the harvesting ends in 2008). I frankly don’t know if harvesting of Falun Gong stopped, stopped and then started again, or never stopped at all. The interviews I have done with refugees covering the more recent period yield only fragmented clues, and the Chinese health authorities are certainly acting as if they want to put the issue to bed once and for all. I have heard David Matas assert that it is ongoing, and that’s certainly worth paying attention to. Yet it is also true that he is basing his argument on discrepancies in the Chinese government figures. That’s fine, but we come at this problem using different methods, and as I’ve explained before, I don’t use Chinese government figures.
At any rate, here are my revised figures in a simplified form. For example, I’ve eliminated the cost figures because they haven’t changed. Look for a comprehensive analysis in my book (or a nice, long, journal article at a reasonable word-rate, whichever comes first). And please feel free to contact me if you have serious, non-trivial queries on any of this.
The basics
- Total prisoners in Laogai System at any given time
- Low estimate: 3,000,000
- High estimate: 5,000,000
- Falun Gong base population in 1999
- Low and high estimate: 70,000,000
Average Falun Gong in Laogai System
- % Falun Gong in Laogai System at any given time (compared with other prisoners)
- Low estimate: 15%
- High estimate: 20%
- % Falun Gong base population in Laogai System at any given time
- Low estimate: 0.64%
- High estimate: 1.43%
- Falun Gong in Laogai System at any given time (on average)
- Low estimate: 450,000
- High estimate: 1,000,000
- Replacement rate of Falun Gong in Laogai System (average stay)
- Low and high estimate: 3 years
- Total Falun Gong in Laogai System at some point between 2000-2009
- Low estimate: 1,350,000
- High estimate: 3,000,000
- % Falun Gong base in Laogai System at some point between 2000-2009
- Low estimate: 1.93%
- High estimate: 4.29%
Examinations
- Percentage of Falun Gong examined in custody
- Low and high estimate: 30%
- Falun Gong examined in custody
- Low estimate: 405,000
- High estimate: 900,000
- Percentage of Falun Gong examined “for show”
- Low and high estimate: 50%
- Falun Gong examined as serious candidates for harvesting
- Low estimate: 202,500
- High estimate: 450,000
Totals
- % Falun Gong examined in custody selected for harvesting
- Low estimate: 2.50%
- High estimate: 15.00%
- Total Falun Gong harvested from 2000-2008
- Low estimate: 9,011
- High estimate: 120,150
- Gutmann estimate: median Falun Gong harvested 2000-2008
- 64,581
- Kilgour/Matas estimate of Falun Gong harvest 2000-2005:
- 41,500
- Kilgour/Matas: Falun Gong harvest per year:
- 6,917
- Kilgour/Matas estimate with three additional years (2000-2008)
- 62,250
- Discrepancy between Gutmann and Kilgour/Matas estimate:
- 2,331

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“How many harvested?” revisited | 愛國者的呼聲 Voice of True Chinese Patriots
March 11, 2011 at 2:02 am
It is a decently researched analysis of an important topic, but I wonder if you, Ethan, or the Canadians (Matas and Kilgour) have sought the guidance of a professional statistician, who could probably refine your “ballpark” figures.
GNP
November 16, 2011 at 12:38 am
Well Gary, they are ballpark…the size of the sample really doesn’t justify false precision…but I take your point. I generated statistics and military analysis for Brookings Institution and other think-tanks back in the day so even as a professional amateur, if you follow me, I’m reasonably confident of what I’ve produced, but I can’t speak for Kilgour/Matas. At any rate, I think it’s a good idea to sit down with a statistician before I publish the numbers in my book. Having said that, I don’t expect the results to change significantly.
eastofethan
November 16, 2011 at 8:17 am
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April 7, 2011 at 4:08 pm
am shocked and horrified. Sounds like NAZI Germany. I knew of the persecution of Christians. When will this atrocity surface internationally. Also is there any data on numbers of developed country residents going to china for transplants?
jeff foster
May 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm
It has certainly gone down since 2008 (Chinese medical authorities placed controls on foreign organ tourists–probably in an embarrassed response to the Kilgour-Matas report). Israeli HMOs won’t pay for patients to go to China either–one of the few cases of Western government intervention based on ethical concerns in this area. But the reason that I’m not actually answering your question is because I haven’t actually seen any solid numbers on this subject.
I was approached by a bright young graduate student a couple of years ago who wanted to help. When I mentioned that we needed these figures and that it would be a real contribution to the field, she promptly disappeared. I have a lot on my plate, but it looks like I’ll have to gather the data and make this calculation myself (or in conjunction with David Kilgour/David Matas, Tom Treasure, Arne Schwarz, or Art Caplan, all individuals who have expertise in this field).
eastofethan
November 28, 2011 at 2:07 pm